SGs letter to the Crew

SweetOwnGoal · 07-24-2009, 05:46 PM

Rudi has requested that I publish the following letter that was sent to the Crew in April. It details the thinking behind the boycott of future road trips to Columbus.

the letter

IE users please go directly to: www.24thminute.com

P.s - I don't belong to the NEE board. If someone could post a link over there I would appreciate it.

H Bomb · 07-24-2009, 05:50 PM

And now we know. thanks for the info dude.

**Pookie** · 07-24-2009, 05:51 PM

^ what was the response from McCullers?

**Eastend** · 07-24-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pookie

^ what was the response from McCullers?

and I quote:

SweetOwnGoal · 07-24-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pookie

^ what was the response from McCullers?

Nothing, as far as I know. But, I'll let Rudi respond directly with more detail (if he has any)

Rudi · 07-24-2009, 06:09 PM

No direct response.

They believe their restrictions on banners/flags/etc. will aid in the security problems, though. Which is pretty dumb.

"THE PAGE" · 07-24-2009, 06:22 PM

SOOOOO WHAAAATT! its not a perfect world, this shit happens all the time, specially at a football event! So if our Boys have their first playoff game in Colombus, and possibly the CONCACAF group stage this year we wont go and support them. I dont agree, this is not curling. Thats just my opinion!

**Yohan** · 07-24-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudi

No direct response.

They believe their restrictions on banners/flags/etc. will aid in the security problems, though. Which is pretty dumb.

meaning, they chose the cop out and easy route

instead of actually getting a competent security, Crew FO hopes that ban on everything is going to solve the problem

all I know is that in most business, if you did something that pissed off 1000+ paying customers, you'd get fired

**Pigfynn** · 07-24-2009, 06:32 PM

Letter says regular season games

**CretanBull** · 07-24-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by "THE PAGE"

SOOOOO WHAAAATT! its not a perfect world, this shit happens all the time, specially at a football event! So if our Boys have their first playoff game in Colombus, and possibly the CONCACAF group stage this year we wont go and support them. I dont agree, this is not curling. Thats just my opinion!

Inswingingwingman · 07-24-2009, 06:35 PM

The Columbus newspaper said a Crew management type suggested that if the Toronto people don't like their cops they should bring their own. Take the RCMP musical ride, and make banners like, We Won the War of 1812, stay home..

Tongue in cheek of course...

Rudi · 07-24-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Inswingingwingman

The Columbus newspaper said a Crew management type suggested that if the Toronto people don't like their cops they should bring their own.

That was the coach, I believe.

It's pretty stupid of him to make light of it, especially when there were actually more Ohio residents arrested that day than Ontario residents.

**DichioTFC** · 07-24-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudi

No direct response.

They believe their restrictions on banners/flags/etc. will aid in the security problems, though. Which is pretty dumb.

The announcements of restrictions imply that by controlling opposing fans, problems can be contained. With that rationale, the opposing fans are to blame for the events in Columbus.

By saying its all our fault, they're indicating that the actions and measures they took were appropriate and justified. Which is bullshit.

I hope we meet the Crew in CONCACAF... It will be the roadtrip to end all roadtrips.

**wzhxvy** · 07-24-2009, 06:57 PM

I have some pretty strong opinions about this letter and type of communication but will reserve my opinions to the Private Members forum.

OneLoveOneEric · 07-24-2009, 07:01 PM

Shame it wasn't proofread.
Did somebody bust out the thesaurus for this one?

**BC101** · 07-24-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CretanBull

hahaha fantastic use.

Rudi · 07-24-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OneLoveOneEric

Shame it wasn't proofread.
Did somebody bust out the thesaurus for this one?

Yeah, I got The Kingpin to edit it first.

Seriously though, what is wrong with it (aside from some redundancies that I noticed this morning, the first time I've read it in months)? It's a professional-type letter sent (physically) to the Crew front office. I wasn't going to type it as if it was an MSN conversation.

That said, I don't really see any "big" words, so I honestly have no idea what you're on about.

mmmikey · 07-24-2009, 07:26 PM

I honestly wonder if this would have had a different outcome if the SGs involved were Americans instead of from Canada. I doubt the Crew FO and local Police forces would be as uncooperative. Not enough "my fellow Americans" in it.

**DichioTFC** · 07-24-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudi

Yeah, I got The Kingpin to edit it first.

Seriously though, what is wrong with it (aside from some redundancies that I noticed this morning, the first time I've read it in months)? It's a professional-type letter sent (physically) to the Crew front office. I wasn't going to type it as if it was an MSN conversation.

That said, I don't really see any "big" words, so I honestly have no idea what you're on about.

Its a good letter, expresses our grievances in a professional manner and allows them an opportunity to respond / make changes.

Its a shame that the Crew dont need our ticket / beer / food money and the state of Ohio dont need our accomodation / travel / tourist money.

**manic.street.preacher** · 07-24-2009, 08:12 PM

so when exactly was this sent? will you post us the response(s), IF they deem to write back?

nice work though, Rudi.

TFC RealDeal RPB · 07-24-2009, 09:05 PM

good job Rudi, it's killing me knowin that i'm not going to KKK town but i stand with all the support goups and we have to stand up of are self's. Why wont the MLSE do anything about it ?

**SmokedPanda** · 07-24-2009, 09:20 PM

this may seem off topic but they did point out damage to their stadium. I never went to columbus but i saw a lot of seats at saputo stadium popped out when we won the cup

Rudi · 07-24-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TFC RealDeal RPB

Why wont the MLSE do anything about it ?

What would MLSE have to do with any of this?

When their fans come here, the TFC FO is top notch in dealing with them. They provide increased security in their section, and escort them through the stadium concourse to their buses.

We get nowhere near the same courtesy from the Crew FO, despite the fact that during the past two games we represented 15 to 20 per cent of the total attendance in their building.

TFC can talk to them and give them advice on how to handle away support professionally, and they have done so, but that's really all they can do. It is entirely the responsibility of the Crew and Crew Stadium to provide a safe environment for all paying fans, regardless of which team they happen to cheer for on the day.

soccer69 · 07-24-2009, 09:57 PM

I live in Columbus and have been to every Crew v Toronto FC match at Crew Stadium and in my opinion I'm glad you guys are not coming back. Without question the Toronto FC fans are the rudest most obnoxious fans in the league. I've been called more bad things for doing nothing but supporting my team by more Toronto FC fans then I care to remember. Please stay away.

Rudi · 07-24-2009, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soccer69

I live in Columbus and have been to every Crew v Toronto FC match at Crew Stadium and in my opinion I'm glad you guys are not coming back. Without question the Toronto FC fans are the rudest most obnoxious fans in the league. I've been called more bad things for doing nothing but supporting my team by more Toronto FC fans then I care to remember. Please stay away.

Aww... did we hurt your feelings?

**Sab0tage** · 07-24-2009, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soccer69

I live in Columbus and have been to every Crew v Toronto FC match at Crew Stadium and in my opinion I'm glad you guys are not coming back. Without question the Toronto FC fans are the rudest most obnoxious fans in the league. I've been called more bad things for doing nothing but supporting my team by more Toronto FC fans then I care to remember. Please stay away.

Cool story.

Rudi · 07-24-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sab0tage

Cool story.

Chevy · 07-24-2009, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inswingingwingman

The Columbus newspaper said a Crew management type suggested that if the Toronto people don't like their cops they should bring their own. Take the RCMP musical ride, and make banners like, We Won the War of 1812, stay home..

Tongue in cheek of course...

lol....

Banner: "Remember 1812"

Who want's to bet that nobody born south of the border will know what the F&*k that means (which makes it all the better)?

**denime** · 07-24-2009, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soccer69

I live in Columbus and have been to every Crew v Toronto FC match at Crew Stadium and in my opinion I'm glad you guys are not coming back. Without question the Toronto FC fans are the rudest most obnoxious fans in the league. I've been called more bad things for doing nothing but supporting my team by more Toronto FC fans then I care to remember. Please stay away.

I can see you like number 69

,no worries next time we come by we will bring some Vaseline too .That way we will not hurt you feelings

**redcard** · 07-24-2009, 10:30 PM

good letter...it gets the point across...but even if we have more matchs with the KKKlowns (concacaf) we probably should avoid attending those as well, save our away support for the carribean teams

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07-24-2009, 05:46 PM
SweetOwnGoal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Twanna	SGs letter to the Crew Rudi has requested that I publish the following letter that was sent to the Crew in April. It details the thinking behind the boycott of future road trips to Columbus. the letter IE users please go directly to: www.24thminute.com P.s - I don't belong to the NEE board. If someone could post a link over there I would appreciate it.

07-24-2009, 05:50 PM
H Bomb Registered User Join Date: May 2008	And now we know. thanks for the info dude.

07-24-2009, 05:51 PM
Pookie *RPB Member* Join Date: Nov 2008	^ what was the response from McCullers?

07-24-2009, 06:09 PM
Rudi Registered User Join Date: May 2008	No direct response. They believe their restrictions on banners/flags/etc. will aid in the security problems, though. Which is pretty dumb.

07-24-2009, 06:22 PM
"THE PAGE" Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008	SOOOOO WHAAAATT! its not a perfect world, this shit happens all the time, specially at a football event! So if our Boys have their first playoff game in Colombus, and possibly the CONCACAF group stage this year we wont go and support them. I dont agree, this is not curling. Thats just my opinion!

07-24-2009, 06:32 PM
Pigfynn *RPB Member* Join Date: May 2008 Location: KW	Letter says regular season games __________________

07-24-2009, 06:35 PM
Inswingingwingman Registered User Join Date: May 2008	The Columbus newspaper said a Crew management type suggested that if the Toronto people don't like their cops they should bring their own. Take the RCMP musical ride, and make banners like, We Won the War of 1812, stay home.. Tongue in cheek of course...

07-24-2009, 06:57 PM
wzhxvy *RPB Member* Join Date: Aug 2008	I have some pretty strong opinions about this letter and type of communication but will reserve my opinions to the Private Members forum.

07-24-2009, 07:01 PM
OneLoveOneEric Registered User Join Date: May 2008	Shame it wasn't proofread. Did somebody bust out the thesaurus for this one?

07-24-2009, 07:26 PM
mmmikey Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009	I honestly wonder if this would have had a different outcome if the SGs involved were Americans instead of from Canada. I doubt the Crew FO and local Police forces would be as uncooperative. Not enough "my fellow Americans" in it.

07-24-2009, 08:12 PM
manic.street.preacher *RPB Member* Join Date: May 2008 Location: the Netherlands	so when exactly was this sent? will you post us the response(s), IF they deem to write back? nice work though, Rudi. __________________ ~ Canadian by birth, Red by the grace of God ~ ~ illegitimi non carborundum* ~*

07-24-2009, 09:05 PM
TFC RealDeal RPB *RPB Member* Join Date: May 2008 Location: Toronto	good job Rudi, it's killing me knowin that i'm not going to KKK town but i stand with all the support goups and we have to stand up of are self's. Why wont the MLSE do anything about it ?

07-24-2009, 09:20 PM
SmokedPanda *RPB Member* Join Date: May 2008 Location: behind the sushi bar in montreal	this may seem off topic but they did point out damage to their stadium. I never went to columbus but i saw a lot of seats at saputo stadium popped out when we won the cup __________________ 06-18-09 i was there

07-24-2009, 09:57 PM
soccer69 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009	I live in Columbus and have been to every Crew v Toronto FC match at Crew Stadium and in my opinion I'm glad you guys are not coming back. Without question the Toronto FC fans are the rudest most obnoxious fans in the league. I've been called more bad things for doing nothing but supporting my team by more Toronto FC fans then I care to remember. Please stay away.

07-24-2009, 10:30 PM
redcard *RPB Member* Join Date: May 2008 Location: Section 116	good letter...it gets the point across...but even if we have more matchs with the KKKlowns (concacaf) we probably should avoid attending those as well, save our away support for the carribean teams __________________ Trophy Manager : FC Rexdale